Comments on: Rant: Where the F Was the Ace Frehley Cover? http://www.woodytone.com/2010/01/15/rant-where-the-f-was-the-ace-frehley-cover/ WoodyTone = ToneWoody Tue, 15 May 2012 21:37:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: @hardly_angelic http://www.woodytone.com/2010/01/15/rant-where-the-f-was-the-ace-frehley-cover/comment-page-1/#comment-479 @hardly_angelic Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:43:43 +0000 http://www.woodytone.com/?p=1547#comment-479 Ace's biggest problem has always been himself. A significant number of leads on Ace-era Kiss material aren't even Ace's playing, because Ace wasn't at the studio or was too ripped to play well or was being punished by Gene and Paul. It's all been pretty heavily documented - in particular, look for the GW interview with Ace where they list quite a few Kiss songs to get his input on how he did them, and on about half of them, he says it either wasn't him (and probably Bob Kulick) or that he doesn't remember participating at all. It's my opinion that Ace connects to people more as a character than as a guitar player, hence the posters/lunchboxes/dolls/pinball machines - yet I still am chagrined that Thayer wears the makeup. I know - contradiction. Plus check the pricing on any Page LP against any Frehley LP, and that might explain a lot of the disparity between units disparity. Plus, are you counting the Epi Ace models? Between the two artists, I know whose signature model I'd rather have. I'd even rather have Frampton's LP than Ace's. All that said, Anomaly is far more entertaining than Sonic Boom (Suck it, Gene). I love Ace *and* used to love Kiss (33 shows attended - but Gene and Paul will never get another dime from me), but to compare him on any musical level with Jimmy Page is just folly. LZ's worst song (and there *are* some clunkers in there) still trumps everything from the Kiss catalog, with the possible exception of anything Ezrin worked on. Now, Nuno is another story entirely - and wholly deserving of more attention. Of all the post EVH guys, I'd go with Nuno just before Lynch, and just after Paul Gilbert. DiMartini's up there too, but I saw him recently (June 2009) and was disappointed. Vai's in a world of his own (not necessarily an easily accessible one either), and Satch...is a monster, but he doesn't always connect with me. Yngwie is pretty much a one-trick pony, but *what* a trick, eh? Peace - JAM Ace's biggest problem has always been himself. A significant number of leads on Ace-era Kiss material aren't even Ace's playing, because Ace wasn't at the studio or was too ripped to play well or was being punished by Gene and Paul. It's all been pretty heavily documented – in particular, look for the GW interview with Ace where they list quite a few Kiss songs to get his input on how he did them, and on about half of them, he says it either wasn't him (and probably Bob Kulick) or that he doesn't remember participating at all.

It's my opinion that Ace connects to people more as a character than as a guitar player, hence the posters/lunchboxes/dolls/pinball machines – yet I still am chagrined that Thayer wears the makeup. I know – contradiction. Plus check the pricing on any Page LP against any Frehley LP, and that might explain a lot of the disparity between units disparity. Plus, are you counting the Epi Ace models?

Between the two artists, I know whose signature model I'd rather have. I'd even rather have Frampton's LP than Ace's.

All that said, Anomaly is far more entertaining than Sonic Boom (Suck it, Gene). I love Ace *and* used to love Kiss (33 shows attended – but Gene and Paul will never get another dime from me), but to compare him on any musical level with Jimmy Page is just folly. LZ's worst song (and there *are* some clunkers in there) still trumps everything from the Kiss catalog, with the possible exception of anything Ezrin worked on.

Now, Nuno is another story entirely – and wholly deserving of more attention. Of all the post EVH guys, I'd go with Nuno just before Lynch, and just after Paul Gilbert. DiMartini's up there too, but I saw him recently (June 2009) and was disappointed. Vai's in a world of his own (not necessarily an easily accessible one either), and Satch…is a monster, but he doesn't always connect with me. Yngwie is pretty much a one-trick pony, but *what* a trick, eh?

Peace –

JAM

]]> By: Dusty http://www.woodytone.com/2010/01/15/rant-where-the-f-was-the-ace-frehley-cover/comment-page-1/#comment-478 Dusty Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:40:46 +0000 http://www.woodytone.com/?p=1547#comment-478 I agree on the Ace cover. I actually talked with a friend about this a couple of weeks ago. I was born in '83 and Ace was and still is a HUGE influence on me. I was 24 and a player for nearlly ten years before I could afford a new real Gibson LP Standard (and went ino credit card debt to do part of it :D) but you bet your life I got cherry sunburst. Ace means a LOT more to me than John Mayer or Billy Sheehan, and I know that's true for most of us. It's a damn shame he isn't more recognized for the amazing talent he is. I agree on the Ace cover. I actually talked with a friend about this a couple of weeks ago. I was born in '83 and Ace was and still is a HUGE influence on me. I was 24 and a player for nearlly ten years before I could afford a new real Gibson LP Standard (and went ino credit card debt to do part of it :D) but you bet your life I got cherry sunburst. Ace means a LOT more to me than John Mayer or Billy Sheehan, and I know that's true for most of us. It's a damn shame he isn't more recognized for the amazing talent he is.

]]> By: zedd http://www.woodytone.com/2010/01/15/rant-where-the-f-was-the-ace-frehley-cover/comment-page-1/#comment-477 zedd Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:09:31 +0000 http://www.woodytone.com/?p=1547#comment-477 I can't believe Les Paul was only on the cover of one those magazines after his death. I can't believe Les Paul was only on the cover of one those magazines after his death.

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